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	<title>Comments on: Who needs radicals?</title>
	<link>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/02/who-needs-radicals/</link>
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		<title>By: Nate Kleinman</title>
		<link>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/02/who-needs-radicals/#comment-39440</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Kleinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a good question, but certainly should be asked more generally as well: not just we Hoyas (I'm actually an alum), but are we all doing enough to change the world?

There is a pervasive cynicism among all people today, not just young people, though it seems particularly tragic among the youth. But the points made above are nevertheless true: many Georgetowners, many college students, and many other individuals are highly involved in important activism today. Members of the corporate media, who form the dominant narrative of our times, don't spend much time on stories of individual activist movements, so even well-educated professors like Michael Kazin can neglect to understand what's happening just under their noses.

That said, it saddens me how many well-meaning, kind-hearted fellow Hoyas choose careers in money management or sales. We've been given a unique perspective on the world, and obviously been privileged receive such a prestigious education, so don't we owe it to the world to give back?

But making money off of other people's labor is easy. Changing the world is hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good question, but certainly should be asked more generally as well: not just we Hoyas (I&#8217;m actually an alum), but are we all doing enough to change the world?</p>
<p>There is a pervasive cynicism among all people today, not just young people, though it seems particularly tragic among the youth. But the points made above are nevertheless true: many Georgetowners, many college students, and many other individuals are highly involved in important activism today. Members of the corporate media, who form the dominant narrative of our times, don&#8217;t spend much time on stories of individual activist movements, so even well-educated professors like Michael Kazin can neglect to understand what&#8217;s happening just under their noses.</p>
<p>That said, it saddens me how many well-meaning, kind-hearted fellow Hoyas choose careers in money management or sales. We&#8217;ve been given a unique perspective on the world, and obviously been privileged receive such a prestigious education, so don&#8217;t we owe it to the world to give back?</p>
<p>But making money off of other people&#8217;s labor is easy. Changing the world is hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/02/who-needs-radicals/#comment-39411</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/02/who-needs-radicals/#comment-39411</guid>
		<description>A great piece; thanks for this.  Just a note on STAND, which Tim notes started at Georgetown back in 2004.  In the short time since its founding at Georgetown, it's actually grown to over 700 active high school and college chapters worldwide.

Right now STAND chapters across the globe are planning events for DarfurFast.  On December 5, students will forego one luxury item - candy or a cup of coffee  - and donate the money they would've spent on that item to protect civilian women from being raped in Darfur.  Just three dollars - less than the cost of a latte - can contribute to the protection of one woman for one year.  Visit www.standnow.org/darfurfast for more information.

Don't stand by, STAND up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great piece; thanks for this.  Just a note on STAND, which Tim notes started at Georgetown back in 2004.  In the short time since its founding at Georgetown, it&#8217;s actually grown to over 700 active high school and college chapters worldwide.</p>
<p>Right now STAND chapters across the globe are planning events for DarfurFast.  On December 5, students will forego one luxury item - candy or a cup of coffee  - and donate the money they would&#8217;ve spent on that item to protect civilian women from being raped in Darfur.  Just three dollars - less than the cost of a latte - can contribute to the protection of one woman for one year.  Visit <a href="http://www.standnow.org/darfurfast" rel="nofollow">http://www.standnow.org/darfurfast</a> for more information.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t stand by, STAND up!</p>
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		<title>By: Vox Populi &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How active are you?</title>
		<link>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/02/who-needs-radicals/#comment-39302</link>
		<dc:creator>Vox Populi &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How active are you?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/02/who-needs-radicals/#comment-39302</guid>
		<description>[...] I&#8217;m not all about self-promotion (just mostly about it) but here&#8217;s a link to an article I wrote at Campus Progress, an online web-magazine for college progressives. The article is a response to a different and silly piece by a writer named Courtney Martin, who accuses our entire generation of not being angry and active enough about political issues. Needless to say, I disagreed. The relevant Georgetown factor is that my response grew out of a blog post I wrote here almost a year ago, and obviously my own first-hand knowledge of student activism comes from spending my time reporting on the work of our own various activist groups. Anyways, a query: do you think college students, and Georgetown students, are doing enough to change the world? Or are we co-opted by the man? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I&#8217;m not all about self-promotion (just mostly about it) but here&#8217;s a link to an article I wrote at Campus Progress, an online web-magazine for college progressives. The article is a response to a different and silly piece by a writer named Courtney Martin, who accuses our entire generation of not being angry and active enough about political issues. Needless to say, I disagreed. The relevant Georgetown factor is that my response grew out of a blog post I wrote here almost a year ago, and obviously my own first-hand knowledge of student activism comes from spending my time reporting on the work of our own various activist groups. Anyways, a query: do you think college students, and Georgetown students, are doing enough to change the world? Or are we co-opted by the man? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Keenan Steiner</title>
		<link>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/02/who-needs-radicals/#comment-3735</link>
		<dc:creator>Keenan Steiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/02/who-needs-radicals/#comment-3735</guid>
		<description>Tim is right that today's students are more "pragmatic." Students are working within the system. But this pragmatism isn't working. Tim writes that students are working for anti-war candidates. We voted out the Republicans in the fall. 65% of Americans are against the war, and a majority favors a timetable to withdraw. Yet we can't get the Democratic-majority (albiet barely in the Senate) to make a difference in the administration's Iraq policy. The previous poster makes a good point - there is something undemocratic about the system.

Tim also argues that we are more engaged in the system than our 60s predecessors - but there's no proof of this. If anything, evidence shows the opposite - we're less engaged today. In the 60s, voter turnout was above 60% for each of that decades 3 elections. (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php). 

Even if young people are equally as engaged in the political system as their 60s predecessors, but seek to change policy through lobbying instead of activism, their methods aren't working. Those who have engaged in radical activism are precisely those that have been most successful. Tim asks, "how important are the noisy trappings of activism—the protests, the fliers, the sit-ins—compared to the actual work of changing policy?" Pretty important, considering the Solidarity Committee, whose members fasted for weeks, as the most successful example. MeCHa's protest of Minuteman leader Jim Gilchrist stands out as well. 

Now, I may not be familiar successful cases of behind-the-scene lobbying. But, on Iraq, at least, such lobbying isn't working. I am outraged by this war, but I always think that I can't do anything about it. Tim thinks we see ourselves as "patient, political activists." I for one am engaged in Washington's politics, but I don't think I, nor us students, are going to make a lick of a difference on Iraq if we're patient. If we are really fed up with the war, young people need to show that they're outraged - by demonstrating loudly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim is right that today&#8217;s students are more &#8220;pragmatic.&#8221; Students are working within the system. But this pragmatism isn&#8217;t working. Tim writes that students are working for anti-war candidates. We voted out the Republicans in the fall. 65% of Americans are against the war, and a majority favors a timetable to withdraw. Yet we can&#8217;t get the Democratic-majority (albiet barely in the Senate) to make a difference in the administration&#8217;s Iraq policy. The previous poster makes a good point - there is something undemocratic about the system.</p>
<p>Tim also argues that we are more engaged in the system than our 60s predecessors - but there&#8217;s no proof of this. If anything, evidence shows the opposite - we&#8217;re less engaged today. In the 60s, voter turnout was above 60% for each of that decades 3 elections. (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php). </p>
<p>Even if young people are equally as engaged in the political system as their 60s predecessors, but seek to change policy through lobbying instead of activism, their methods aren&#8217;t working. Those who have engaged in radical activism are precisely those that have been most successful. Tim asks, &#8220;how important are the noisy trappings of activism—the protests, the fliers, the sit-ins—compared to the actual work of changing policy?&#8221; Pretty important, considering the Solidarity Committee, whose members fasted for weeks, as the most successful example. MeCHa&#8217;s protest of Minuteman leader Jim Gilchrist stands out as well. </p>
<p>Now, I may not be familiar successful cases of behind-the-scene lobbying. But, on Iraq, at least, such lobbying isn&#8217;t working. I am outraged by this war, but I always think that I can&#8217;t do anything about it. Tim thinks we see ourselves as &#8220;patient, political activists.&#8221; I for one am engaged in Washington&#8217;s politics, but I don&#8217;t think I, nor us students, are going to make a lick of a difference on Iraq if we&#8217;re patient. If we are really fed up with the war, young people need to show that they&#8217;re outraged - by demonstrating loudly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mahoney</title>
		<link>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/02/who-needs-radicals/#comment-3547</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mahoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 05:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/02/who-needs-radicals/#comment-3547</guid>
		<description>As a member of Georgetown Solidarity Committee and one of the March 2005 hunger strikers and living wage victory, I appreciate the Voice is pushing back on Kazin's slightly out-of-touch belittling of Georgetown activism. 

However, I disagree with Tim Fernholz's claim that today's youth activism is focused on so-called "pragmatic" inside-the-beltway politics.  Besides GSC, STAND and the "pragmatic" pre-politicians at Georgetown, Fernholz has left out a lot of powerful activists on campus (I don't mean to criticize, I just want to show it's about more the politics): MEChA has constantly educated the campus about issues that affect Latin@s such as immigration, including with the massive protest last semester against the Minutemen; Students for Justice in Palestine tirelessly organize well-attended teach-ins and highly visible actions (e.g., the provocative mock apartheid wall); the Black Student Alliance and Muslim Student Association recently did a powerful day of street theater in Red Square to commemorate Malcolm X's assassination; H*yas for Choice has fought incredibly hard to give us all access to health information and condoms, facing opposition straight from the Vatican; GU Pride successfully fought for LGBTQ resources on campus; Take Back The Night continues to push sexual assault into the spotlight on a campus where discussion about gendered violence is all but silent.

If Kazin seeks radical activism -- meaning activism that actually seeks to overhaul our broken and unjust political-economic-social system -- then working for policy change alone doesn't make the mark, right? But many of our campus groups ARE radical, in exposing and challenging systemic racism, sexism, etc.  This type of radical activism is overlooked by Kazin, Fernholz, and many self-indentifying "radicals" and "activists" alike.  

Fernholz is right that sometimes you have to be pragmatic and focus on policy, but Kazin is right that pragmatically working within the "establishment" can only be seen as a short-term quick fix.  Until we work together to shake off white supremacy, patriarchy, homophobia; until workers have the same say over their own jobs as their wealthy bosses; until we create a new system that is truly inclusive and democratic rather than driven by the wealthiest of corporations -- until then, no amount of policy work within the "establishment" can ever fully fix the deepest problems of our society.  This is why so many groups (certainly not just ANSWER) tie together issues of war, globalization, Palestine... it's all part of one deeply undemocratic system, and while we need to focus our efforts and strategies, we need to be conscious of fighting an entire system rather than getting lost in squabbling over one bill on the Hill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of Georgetown Solidarity Committee and one of the March 2005 hunger strikers and living wage victory, I appreciate the Voice is pushing back on Kazin&#8217;s slightly out-of-touch belittling of Georgetown activism. </p>
<p>However, I disagree with Tim Fernholz&#8217;s claim that today&#8217;s youth activism is focused on so-called &#8220;pragmatic&#8221; inside-the-beltway politics.  Besides GSC, STAND and the &#8220;pragmatic&#8221; pre-politicians at Georgetown, Fernholz has left out a lot of powerful activists on campus (I don&#8217;t mean to criticize, I just want to show it&#8217;s about more the politics): MEChA has constantly educated the campus about issues that affect Latin@s such as immigration, including with the massive protest last semester against the Minutemen; Students for Justice in Palestine tirelessly organize well-attended teach-ins and highly visible actions (e.g., the provocative mock apartheid wall); the Black Student Alliance and Muslim Student Association recently did a powerful day of street theater in Red Square to commemorate Malcolm X&#8217;s assassination; H*yas for Choice has fought incredibly hard to give us all access to health information and condoms, facing opposition straight from the Vatican; GU Pride successfully fought for LGBTQ resources on campus; Take Back The Night continues to push sexual assault into the spotlight on a campus where discussion about gendered violence is all but silent.</p>
<p>If Kazin seeks radical activism &#8212; meaning activism that actually seeks to overhaul our broken and unjust political-economic-social system &#8212; then working for policy change alone doesn&#8217;t make the mark, right? But many of our campus groups ARE radical, in exposing and challenging systemic racism, sexism, etc.  This type of radical activism is overlooked by Kazin, Fernholz, and many self-indentifying &#8220;radicals&#8221; and &#8220;activists&#8221; alike.  </p>
<p>Fernholz is right that sometimes you have to be pragmatic and focus on policy, but Kazin is right that pragmatically working within the &#8220;establishment&#8221; can only be seen as a short-term quick fix.  Until we work together to shake off white supremacy, patriarchy, homophobia; until workers have the same say over their own jobs as their wealthy bosses; until we create a new system that is truly inclusive and democratic rather than driven by the wealthiest of corporations &#8212; until then, no amount of policy work within the &#8220;establishment&#8221; can ever fully fix the deepest problems of our society.  This is why so many groups (certainly not just ANSWER) tie together issues of war, globalization, Palestine&#8230; it&#8217;s all part of one deeply undemocratic system, and while we need to focus our efforts and strategies, we need to be conscious of fighting an entire system rather than getting lost in squabbling over one bill on the Hill.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Hughes</title>
		<link>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/02/who-needs-radicals/#comment-3536</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 00:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/03/02/who-needs-radicals/#comment-3536</guid>
		<description>I think the 50s, 60s, and 70s in the U.S. showed us how important the activism is, and how effective it can be. I for one am glad for all the progress made then by activists. Discuss it at &lt;a href="http://forums.freedomflyers.info" rel="nofollow"&gt;Activism Forums&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the 50s, 60s, and 70s in the U.S. showed us how important the activism is, and how effective it can be. I for one am glad for all the progress made then by activists. Discuss it at <a href="http://forums.freedomflyers.info" rel="nofollow">Activism Forums</a>.</p>
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