United States v. Alex Thiele: the preliminary hearing

As promised, Vox was in Superior Court this morning for alleged Midnight Madness shooter Alex Thiele’s (’13) preliminary hearing. It’ll all be written up in a summary for the Voice on Thursday, but until then, here’s what went down, including the exciting claim that someone else stole the gun.

Thiele came into Judge Andrea Harnett’s court in an orange jumpsuit (no cameras were allowed in the courtroom), with his hands shackled behind his back. He stood next to his new attorney, Mark Schamel, last seen defending an alleged sexual assault perpetrator at George Washington. Thiele was also supported by his father, Dr. Jay Thiele, and his grandfather.

The preliminary hearing was about deciding whether there was enough information to prosecute Thiele, and also whether he should be kept in jail or released. The US Attorney wanted Thiele to stay in custody, saying he was dangerous, while Schamel insisted essentially that even if Thiele was guilty, he wouldn’t be dangerous anymore because he wouldn’t have access to a gun.

Either way, it doesn’t look like Thiele will be headed back to Georgetown. If Thiele was released, Schamel said Thiele would return to his home in San Diego.

“I think it’s unlikely that he’s going to return to Georgetown University,” Schamel said. “I don’t think they’re going to give him that option.”

Weird thing about the Where Alex Thiele Lives debate: his arrest records list him as being from London having his address in London.

Thiele’s appearance was out of the ordinary for the courtroom.

“There’s a new one–to have a Georgetown freshman,” Judge Harnett said.

Testifying for the prosecution was Metropolitan Police Department Detective Nelson Morais, who interviewed Thiele a couple hours after the shooting. Morais’s testimony gave new details about what allegedly happened Friday night.

According to Morais’s testimony:

  • Park Police officer Sharice Clanton had her purse a foot away from her, and only turned away from it “for approximately one minute.” Turning around, she found the contents of purse all over the bleachers, and her handgun gone.
  • She told DPS and MPD, and they started looking for her gun. Then they heard a shot (or shots, according to Clanton) in the bathroom.
  • In the bathroom, they found a male witness who was there when the gun went off. The witness later positively ID’d Thiele.
  • Meanwhile, Thiele went to Village C West, where he went to someone else’s room on the 3rd floor.
  • According to the student who tipped DPS off, Morais said, Thiele had the gun in one hand and a bullet in another. Thiele said he didn’t know where he got the gun.
  • Thiele then told the VCW tipster that a black man he didn’t know had given him the gun.
  • The VCW tipster convinced Thiele to put the gun on the tipster’s couch, but Thiele said he would keep the bullet he had.
  • Pressed by the defense to explain why Thiele took the gun, Morais said, “Probably stupidity, to be honest with you.”
  • Morais said Thiele confessed to shooting the toilet and said he was sorry.

The defense tried to pull a legal maneuver regarding the detective reading another detective’s notes, but the judge wasn’t buying it.

The cross-examination then came down to whether Thiele was drunk.  Schamel says he was; Morais says he interviewed him too late to really tell but said only one person said he was.

Schamel, Thiele’s attorney, also seemed to be building a case in his questions to Morais that Thiele was never seen taking the gun. He confirmed that Thiele was never seen by Clanton taking her gun, which would fit in great with the Anonymous Black Man defense. Not so much with the alleged confession, though. And since  the felony theft charge seems to have been dropped, it doesn’t seem too central to the case.

But judging from the online court docket, an order to release Thiele from jail was sent around 1 p.m. today, and the case is moving on to a grand jury.

The nicest thing about the hearing was having a nagging question settled: is it pronounced Thiele, rhymes with Healy, or Thiele, rhymes with steal, as in “Who would steal a gun at Midnight Madness?” It’s the former.

Updated Wednesday to clarify language regarding London address and Schamel’s argument against keeping Thiele in detention

Photo by George D’Angelo.

49 Comments on “United States v. Alex Thiele: the preliminary hearing

  1. Great that they caught the shooter, but what the hell was Sharice Clanton doing on campus with a gun in her purse? If she was on duty, why was it not on her person? If she was off duty, why the hell did she bring it to our campus? The student responsible should be brought to justice, and so should she. Any individual who puts the lives of our students in danger through reckless behavior and negligence should be considered in large part responsible for any violence resultant from their weapon.

  2. i’m really satisfied with this article…it’s objective and doesn’t assume anything. plus, it brings up the important issue of where was alex was born. that is really relevant to what is going on here. great job georgetown voice!

  3. Joe’s right. The kid needs to get what’s coming to him, but I’m also pretty irate at this random woman who took it upon herself to make the event less safe by sitting around with a loaded firearm in a purse. And for all you pro-gun folks, if you’ve been taught proper gun safety, you would agree that leaving it carelessly in a purse is a terrible idea. She should certainly face sanctions as well, either through her employer or the courts.

  4. I don’t think the blame on the black man defense will work in this one. Sorry, Alex.

  5. hey georgetown voice! maybe next time you could try to take just a little more enjoyment out of a horrific situation. next time a kid is in a very scary situation and whose life as he knows it is about to end, you could make even more of a mockery of him–his name, his orange jumpsuit, all of it. excellent reporting. thank you.

  6. I am dissatisfied with the attempt at humor in this article. This is not a funny situation, nor should a proper news source try to portray it in this fashion. Anyone who’s ever watched Law and Order would know that the defendant would appear in a prison uniform, so thanks for clearing that one up for us.
    And as far as where he was born, it is also totally irrelevant to the situation. He is an American citizen from San Diego. Are you trying to alledge that everyone from London is some type of irrational gun-toter?
    And I image you idiotic reporters from the Voice would have difficulty with his surname, as you’ve yet to interview anyone who knows Alex personally, and have spent all your time creeping around on his floor outside his room.
    Maybe you need to take a step back and move away from craze reporting and perhaps blog something a bit more classy. A criminal trial of someone from the Georgetown community does not reflect well on the University, and you help none by acting as if he’s a foreign terrorist. It’s not funny.
    And clearly any officer that lets a loaded weapon out of their sight for even an instant does not deserve a license to carry that weapon nor the respect to be an officer. Anyone that has ever handled firearms knows that a basic rule is to maintain control of the gun so that accidents don’t happen. More than one person is at fault in this situation. If there had never been a gun in the McDonough, Alex Thiele would never have been able to happen upon it.

    To the Voice: raise your standards

    To the Georgetown Community: do not take this article as the Gospel truth, I should hope that you all can detect the strong bias and poor writing, and heavy journalistic slant that is present.

    Thank you.

  7. Before reading this blog, I really would have questioned how anyone could defend Alex Thiele’s actions. Now I know.

    I love how people are talking about how we shouldn’t judge Alex Thiele. We know the facts at this point- we know that he took a gun from a Park Police officer and fired it. I don’t really understand why anyone is implying we don’t know enough to make a judgment about what an idiot this kid is. If he or any of his friends seemed to have acknowledged that we he did was problematic in any way, which it seems they have yet to do, people might be a little more sympathetic towards his cause.

    I don’t think anyone is denying that the Park Policewoman was also idiotic in leaving her purse open. At least I haven’t read or heard anyone claim she isn’t at fault. But it is absurd to imply that he is not at fault because the gun was just there, as though he is not to blame because the gun was so easily available to him.

    Ultimately, this kid will get everything that’s coming to him. What he did is a big deal, even if he ‘just’ shot a toilet bowl and nothing else. We absolutely do not need people like this on campus. People make mistakes, but when you mess up like this, you have to be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. The school’s decision to expel him is the only appropriate course of action.

  8. 1. This is a blog. Humor is acceptable. We don’t have to approach every situation in which some dumbass drunk kid shoots a toilet with utmost solemnity and hand-wringing.

    2. This is squarely Thiele’s fault, regardless of the gun being there, his drunken stupor, some Anonymous Black Man, or whatever else. Stop making excuses for him.

    3. I’m not sure I’d say Thiele is “from” the Georgetown community, even though he was “in” the community for a month or two. Glad that it seems he won’t be back.

  9. Whoever posted above has it exactly right. People need to stop making excuses for this fool.

    Of course this kid blames it on some anonymous black man. Nice.

  10. If some anonymous person tried to hand me a gun, I would either 1) refuse to take the gun or 2) take it and IMMEDIATELY CALL/GO TO THE POLICE. Drunk or sober, I would have the common sense not to walk around campus brandishing a dangerous weapon. That type of stupidity gets you shot.

  11. LC: Assuming you are the same poster as LC 2013 over the weekend (and, even if you aren’t): You imply that Alex Thiele is not getting a fair shake and that there are facts about this story that are not getting out, but you don’t actually refute anything that’s been reported. So, what gives? Why is Alex innocent, or at least “less than guilty?” And that the police officer is an idiot is not a defense. That’s no different than saying that a sex offender who goes into an unlocked townhouse and fondles a drunk woman isn’t guilty because he took advantage of an opportunity to commit a crime.

  12. Save your righteous incense for a situation that merits it. Neither this blog nor the court is ruining the kid’s life. The kid ruined his own life by STEALING A GUN from a POLICE OFFICER. In a public place, no less, where he was a public danger, so there is a public interest in the outcome.

    Sarah Palin has some people so brainwashed that they think any news about an individual is a biased attack. No, individuals can still make news. And this kind of crime is definitely news for the Georgetown community.

  13. I’m not saying he’s not getting a fair shake; the law will give him what he deserves. Nor am I denying that his actions were not idiotic. But I can say to the many who will remark “I’d never do that drunk…” You’d probably never be put in that situation to even have the option to do what he did. Any comment that I’d make regarding the occurences of the evening would be useless here if you didn’t have knowledge of Schamel’s detective’s notes, which the court obviously didn’t permit due to a technicality. I’m not saying what is written is “wrong” but it is highly distasteful as well as one sided. To the comment about this being a blog: it still does not excuse shoddy journalism from a second-rate college newspaper. I’d just like to point out that he’s not officially expelled yet, either.

  14. lc-

    “Did Officer Clanton violate Park Police policy and store her weapon unsafely? Sergeant Schlosser says an investigation has begun and will be finished in a couple of weeks. To the best of his knowledge, Clanton is still on-duty with the Park Police.”

    That’s from the previous Vox blog post about this incident. There’s nothing more to cover on that front for now, and I imagine, hopefully, that in two weeks the blog will report about the results of that investigation. You criticize the blog for both a “heavy journalistic slant” and also “shoddy journalism”, when I think you would be hard-pressed to find a fact that the voice is privy to that they have not included. You wonder why they haven’t talked to anyone who knows his personality as you simultaneously demand they flee from VCW3. How else ought they attempt to learn “the other side” of this story. You use ad-hominem attacks against the Voice and its reporters that make your argument, not without merit, that we’re pre-judging the case and shouldn’t add to the destruction of this person’s life that’s going on.

    You said “But I can say to the many who will remark “I’d never do that drunk…” You’d probably never be put in that situation to even have the option to do what he did.”– If someone drives drunk, but doesn’t hit anyone, they should still be held accountable for their actions, and society has a right to condemn them for their behavior, because when they consume alcohol they have to do it properly- i.e. don’t drive drunk OR don’t steal a gun from a police officer (that’s what it was, the gun wasn’t sitting on a table in front of him with the sign Take Me) and then discharge that weapon in a crowded arena. We cannot excuse such behavior, even if it is done under the influence. Based on my own personal experience drunk, I haven’t driven drunk. Nor done anything permanently debilitating to a toilet.

  15. Some stories don’t have an “other side.” This is one of them.

  16. Isn’t there an elephant in the room?

    It seems clear that this young man was under the influence—if not drunk—but nobody seems to be asking the obvious question: how did this underage student get access to booze?

    I know, everybody knows the answer in general: an older student, somebody’s party, a fake ID.

    I trust the the investigation of this incident by both the police and the University will include attempting to determine exactly where he got buzzed, and that everybody involved is made to take responsibility for essentially ruining this kid’s life. They deserve to be charged criminally and expelled just like Alex Thiele.

  17. “I trust the the investigation of this incident by both the police and the University will include attempting to determine exactly where he got buzzed, and that everybody involved is made to take responsibility for essentially ruining this kid’s life. They deserve to be charged criminally and expelled just like Alex Thiele.”

    Are you kidding? Everyone else should be blamed for his behavior? His intoxication is absolutely no excuse, and should not be considered one. Why should someone else have to take responsibility or Alex getting drunk? Did anyone else that was drinking with him end up stealing a gun? NO. Everyone else managed to refrain from such idiotic behavior. I highly doubt anyone forced him to drink.

    HE ruined his life. It’s as idiotic as he is to imply that it was anyone else’s fault that he stole that gun.

  18. You said that neither Alex nor any of his friends are admitting that what he did was stupid and dangerous; false. I think everyone can agree that what he did was unacceptable and that he should have to pay for what he did. But don’t you think expulsion and a mark on his permanent record are enough? Anyone in Alex’s situation would have learned their lesson already. He is not a threat to anyone anymore. I’ve known Alex for 7 years and I have never been in any danger when around him; this is totally out of character for him.

    And for those of you who are voicing your opinions that Alex should get the full punishment: have you or someone you know never done something stupid? Stealing a gun and shooting a toilet out of what most likely was curiosity and not maliciousness is admittedly a terrible and dangerous thing to do. But we all make mistakes and should Alex’s future be completely ruined when he didn’t hurt anyone and wasn’t trying to hurt anyone (if he wanted to hurt someone, he would have). Expulsion is understandable and should happen but Alex has worked is ass off the past 7 years that I have known him and should his entire future be fucked by one mistake he makes that puts him in jail?

  19. Yes, concerned neighbor, let’s go after them, too. While we’re at it, let’s go after Heckler & Koch! They made the gun, they had to have known this was going to happen. Who made the booze? Was he drink Bud Light? Smirnoff? They knew an underage drinker could consume their product! And then possibly shoot a toilet!

    If Georgetown expelled everyone who assisted an underage kid in getting booze, you wouldn’t have a university. Which is, of course, exactly what the neighbors want, but that’s another story for another time.

    And LC, I have never shot a gun. I have done a lot of regrettable things when I was drunk. I have seen guns when I was drunk. I have left these guns alone. It’s not that hard. Promise.

  20. where does it say that alex took the gun? the officer herself said she found her bag emptied out onto the seat next to her, or whatever. there is no proof that alex actually took it from her bag. read the the article next time.

  21. @ Concerned Neighbor,

    Don’t you have more important things to be doing right now? I hear there’s a small business trying to open somewhere in Georgetown that wants to use signage that might offend your oh-so-lofty sense of aesthetics.

    Please move.

  22. People would be certainly liable for providing minors with alcohol if the consequences involved are more serious. While I’m sure you can investigate what happened, and those who provided the alcohol (if it wasn’t Thiele himself) would be liable for providing him with that alcohol, they do not automatically become liable for what he has done. That’s on him. Thiele’s life won’t be “ruined” – it just won’t continue at Georgetown. He made a big mistake, and he will pay the consequences. There wasn’t any intent to harm a person that we can see, so that issue will be avoided. No one else will be expelled over this, and they shouldn’t be (particularly since Thiele made his choices).

  23. “second-rate college journalism” is redundant. you may not love the voice, but hey, it’s not the hoya.

  24. Good work Voice – ignore the loyal-to-the-point-of-idiocy “friends” and the crotchety georgetown resident. You’re doing a good job keeping everything up to date and your reporting is sound. Anyone who says you’re stepping over some moral line by reporting every detail of this situation is biased to the point of immaturity. As has been said many times, the excuses that “I’ve known him for years and this is totally out of his character” and “we’ve all made mistakes” don’t justify anything. Thiele’s at least 18 years old, he’s an adult, and should be treated as one. And just like any other adult who endangers his immediate community, he loses his right to privacy regarding this matter (and only this matter) until it is resolved. Why? Because the facts are important to the peace and well being of Georgetown and the people who live here. He could have injured someone. He could have killed someone. If he had shot someone, could he still use the “I was drunk, I didn’t know what I was doing” excuse? Of course not. He said he was sorry. I don’t care. Do some people really think you can just get away with that?

    @lc – You’re ridiculous. Just stop it, really. The only person on this earth who’s allowed to be as blindly understanding as you’re being is Thiele’s mother. And his lawyer, but only cause he’s being paid to be. And quit twisting the orange jump suit description and london-gun thing into some form of racial/xenophobic thing… if anyone needs to raise their standards, it’s you.

  25. I never suggested that “everyone” should be held responsible for Alex Thiele’s actions. Just people who facilitated them by the criminal act of providing him with booze (or fake ID).

    There is another “elephant in the room.” It seems incredible that nobody saw Alex taking the gun from the police officer’s purse. They have some responsibility here too.

    To the person concerned about small businesses and signs, if you have a specific case in mind I suggest you take your complaint to somebody who can deal with it. I’m not the sign police, but I am glad somebody cares.

  26. @ Concerned Neighbor

    I’m sick of all of you with your high and mighty attitudes. College kids drink. GET OVER IT. Do you have kids? If so, wait until they’re 18–20. If they’re older, then trust me: they drank when they were 18–20 (probably b/c it was LEGAL just a few years ago). And it still should be. Regardless this is a pointless thing to bring up. College kids drink, and THOUSANDS do it RESPONSIBLY every weekend. One kid being too dumb to handle himself is not a reason to condemn college life generally.

    I do agree with you that anyone who saw him take the gun SHOULD be punished. Not as harshly. I’m not sure what the appropriate sanction would be. Certainly not expulsion, I don’t think. But there should be something.

  27. these comments are getting gradually more and more stupid. this is a blog. it’s entitled to opinion. the journalism is legit- i’d like to see you do better. the kid made a dangerous, stupid mistake. regardless of his intentions, drunkenly wielding a handgun on a college campus without registration or previous handgun experience is a threat to the well being of the school. the federal officer will most likely be charged too after a formal investigation is conducted. as for the alcohol issue, we have about 7,000 undergrads. the majority of them get drunk. that’s college. get over it. do these students illegally take handguns and fire them publicly while drunk? no. there’s clearly something to be said about this kid’s psychological profile there. as far as i’m concerned, this is a black and white issue.

  28. Tim—let me assure you I’m fully aware that college kids drink, and that the vast majority, most of the time, do so responsibly.

    I remember when you could legally drink in DC at 18, which meant lots of 16 and 17 year-old people did too. I was one of them.

    I’m afraid you missed my point, and maybe that is my fault. It isn’t so much that most underaged people drink, and even drink responsibly, but that people who facilitate their access to booze bear responsibility for what MIGHT result.

    We hold bartenders responsible for serving an intoxicated person who ends up killing somebody in an auto accident. If you are suggesting that somebody who hosts a keg party and allows underaged people to drink all the beer they want (and can’t handle) should be able to simply blame the kid as “being too dumb to handle himself,” then we just need to disagree.

    I don’t think any of the bloggers here disagree that Mr. Thiele will have to bear the consequences of his actions. It is truly unfortunate that he will not only have a criminal record, but likely be expelled from the University. I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.

    The point I’m simply trying to make is that others facilitated this situation and they also bear some responsibility. Somebody helped him get booze. Some people must have seen him take the gun. He came back to the dorm drunk and was admitted without question.

    Bottom line, this isn’t about FREEDOM. It is about RESPONSIBILITY. You are free to make choices, but you must be prepared to take responsibility for the results of those choices.

    I’m reminded of a saying by prison inmates I worked with at one time: “If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.”

  29. simmer down.
    i agree with concerned neighbor, to some degree. and to whoever alex’s hs friend is, i agree with that. he’s about the nicest guy you could find, just a not the best drunk.
    And no story is “one-sided.” know your cliche’s.

  30. The “journalism” on this blog is not legit. Journalists fact-check, contact all relevant sources, report objectively and do not insert their own voice into their coverage. This blog’s coverage of this case has done not of these things. Their coverage has been riddled with factual errors from the start. Off the top of my head, they said 5,000 people were in McDonough at the time of the incident (in their headline no less), which is about twice the actual number, and they said Alex was from London, which is wrong. They have not contacted all relevant sources-university administrators, attorneys, etc. They have not reported objectively. They are clearly biased against Alex, to the point of mocking him. They insert their own voice (no pun intended) into the coverage, which as usual is snarky, condescending and inappropriate. This is a blog, so they can insert their own voice, but when that, coupled with everything else I just said, happens, you can’t call it journalism anymore.

  31. He drunkenly stole a gun and shot a toilet in an arena with roughly 2500 people. Then said a few minutes later that a black man gave him the gun. He took a gun, with bullets, into a campus dorm.

    How ought we be dealing with this incident?

  32. Can everyone please stop responding to the trolls who like to point how illegitimate this blog is? It intentionally derails the discussion.
    (Not that I understand why someone who thinks the journalism of the blog is sub par would read it on a continual basis…)

  33. Anon, you’re the only one who responded to the “troll” so why don’t you take your own advice. You just derailed the discussion, if that’s what you call this.

  34. I’d like to say a few things.

    To the Voice: Your coverage of this story is thorough and engaging, and I’m sure everyone who has read this is appreciative of your comprehensive synopsis of the events. What irks me is your attempt at humor. This is not a funny story, by any stretch of the imagination. This is about a young man, who made a very stupid decision, and is going to suffer severe consequences. While you are, of course, perfectly free to publish whatever you want, I find it both inappropriate and insulting. I’m sure that if the defendant had been an editor of the Voice, there wouldn’t be hurtful asinine barbs directed at the student in question. It is both unprofessional and unnecessary. Humor is perfectly fine in the correct context, it can even be, gasp, funny. But not here.

    lc: You are clearly one of Alex’s friends, and while your intentions are good, we have to let the judicial system run it’s course, and there’s not much else at this point. Yes, it was extremely irresponsible of the cop to leave her gun unguarded, but that does not excuse any of the things that Alex did with that gun Friday night. He could be the nicest kid in the world, but nothing can excuse what he did.

    The great thing about this country is that second chances are a cornerstone of our society. We can only hope that Alex Thiele learns from his mistakes, and comes out of it for the better. And I hope that everyone takes this as a lesson, in how badly alcohol can mess with your ability to reason, to function, to make good choices. Seriously, life isn’t baseball, sometimes its one strike, and you’re out.

  35. No, “Georgetown Community,” take the HOYA’s articles as the Gospel truth

  36. With great power also comes great responsibility.

    -Socrates

  37. Hello young ones,

    Don’t get your panties in a bunch. Humor is totally acceptable as a response from our community to somebody acting like a f-ing idiot. Back in Georgetown I saw crazy stuff all of the time, most situations of course involving alcohol. But there’s a huge difference between knocking over a trashcan, burning the Village B fence during Final Four (I helped on that one) or even taking a car for a joyride – college will be college – and taking somebody’s gun and shooting it.

    wait wait wait, and then he says a BLACK man gave him the gun? Might as well have said that he was protecting a child from being kidnapped by a Puerto Rican drug dealer (of course being sarcastic and referring to a South Park episode..most PRicans at Georgetown are lovely, fun people that can handle their alcohol)

    In essence, I’m sure that Mr. Thiele is a pretty nice fellow…to somebody…in the world, but his actions, particularly his lack of character in not accepting his stupidity and blaming it on a ‘black man,’ does denote how this clearly over-entitled, ignorant, waste of human space does not belong at Georgetown.

    Too bad the bullet didn’t ricochet and hit him in the sack… and that’s a serious comment: Georgetown is going to crack down on alcohol once again, further limiting any need for social maturity and self-control, because of this ass wipe.

  38. To all of the apologists who say Alex Thiele is the victim, you have daddy issues and authority you need to take care of.

  39. “Stealing a gun and shooting a toilet out of what most likely was curiosity and not maliciousness is admittedly a terrible and dangerous thing to do. But we all make mistakes… should his entire future be fucked by one mistake he makes that puts him in jail?”

    Yes. That’s what happens when you commit a felony (assuming a conviction follows). I still don’t get it when Hoyas react in horror when one of our own faces the criminal justice system… as if it’s supposed to be a pleasant experience? Why? For our more privileged Hoyas, life has largely been a series of consequence-less decisions in a padded bubble world, where only “black men” and other scary people have to think about scary places like jail and permanent criminal records without any future. Let’s be real for a second: Alex is going to get the best defense that money and whiteness can buy. If convicted, it would be unjust if he gets anything less than some time behind bars (Plaxico, anyone?). If you think you’re enough of a grown-up to handle alcohol and a weapon, then I guess you’re man enough to handle the consequences. Had that bullet missed its mark, he could have “fucked” someone else’s “entire future” right then and there.

  40. I hav to agree wit JP ’08 here… the law does not care if Alex Thiele is a nice guy or not. I know that he is, but you break the law, you have to deal with the consequences, no matter how nice you are. Anyone who goes to Georgetown should be smart enough to figure that out.
    Also, to the Voice… whether or not this is a blog, you are supposed to be a news source. Leave the humor to the Georgetown Heckler. Not only is your humor inaproppriate, its also just not funny.

  41. no one cares about what you did back in college. stop bumming and get on with your life

  42. i know this kid alex hes a good kid i feel so bad for what he did and his consequences

  43. The drinking at Georgetown is out of hand. It seems to be the activity that gets the most schoolwide participation. The faculty just turn their heads the other way. Fortunately one stupid drunk kid only shot a toilet and not another student.

  44. You know what’s great – as a police officer in D.C. – to see so many intelligent responses. Ok, there are a couple of liberals here, expected in D.C. Some people defending this retard – also expected. But for the most part, I haven’t heard “The police officer is corrupt and planted the gun forcing the kid to steal it. He was such a good kid who never did anything wrong and everybody loved him. He never meant to harm that poor innocent white toilet. Society made him this way. He should be given community service and a chance to rehabilitate and return to college to contribute to society”. Sure wish some of these objective comments were made on some of the crimes east of Georgetown university.

  45. Oh, and one more thing – I think it is absolutely HILARIOUS that the anonymous black guy did it. Even as a white cop acused of racism on a daily basis. Seriously – the anonymous black guy? Does no one else find that as funny as I do?

  46. To be honest I think it says the most about Thiele’s character that he blamed it on an anonymous black guy who supposedly just handed him the gun. The fact that he can’t own up to his own actions is the worst part of all of it. I really hope Alex does time in jail.

  47. Alex Thiele, known to the Bishop’s School, was a great kid. Never got into trouble, maintained a 4.4 GPA throughout every year he attended. He was an all-star lacrosse player and was the smartest kid graduating from his class. Now, I believe it is unbelievable that of all people, this would happen to Alex. I believe that he should be punished to a certain extent, but still be able to return to college after community service or some reasonable punishment. Alcohol truly got the best of this kid, as it has gotten many of the thousands of teenagers killed this year, yes it was INCREDIBLY stupid to steal a gun from an officer, but what the hell is with the Black Man? I believe he should just tell the truth, accept consequences, do community service, return to college and excell like he would normally do.

  48. Yeah, cut the lacrosse player with the inflated GPA a break so that he can get back to sailing through life cushioned from real consequences (because community service is so hard!) and excel not with one, but TWO Ls!

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