Comments on: Georgetown University holds its ground with Plan A Hoyas Mon, 09 Nov 2015 02:04:23 +0000 hourly 1 By: Tom Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:58:53 +0000 “Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.”
Jesus said it; we need to live it. He said it for our benefit, for our greatest good. It’s up to us to trust and obey Him on this, even though for many of us chastity is so difficult. But what is so wonderful is having His peace and joy in our hearts. Purity, humility, integrity – so vastly superior to giving into lust, intellectual pride, and self-deceit!

By: Marry me, Chad Kroeger Thu, 08 Apr 2010 00:25:28 +0000 I really wish I could get myself to care more about this issue either way.

However, marry me, Chad Kroeger.

— jaded junior

By: Chad Kroeger Sun, 04 Apr 2010 02:55:23 +0000 I dream of a day when Georgetown will drop Catholic social teaching for Nickelback social teaching. Some of the lessons:

Look at this photograph.
Everyone care, nobody cry, everyone love, nobody lie, everyone share and swallow their pride.
There’s also the classic parable of the man who couldn’t make it as a wise, a poor man stealing, or a blind man. He was sick of sight without a sense of feeling.

All of these lessons and more seek to answer the ultimate question in Nickelbackism: How the hell’d we wind up like this? Call me up and I’ll send you photocopies of this notebook I write in sometimes. I don’t mind if Georgetown bases its educational philosophy on these writings.



By: julie Sun, 04 Apr 2010 00:42:13 +0000 but what if you use a condom for waterballoons? those things stretch waaay far

By: @Idea Man Sat, 03 Apr 2010 20:38:43 +0000 Because not every time 2 people enter a room do they have sex, but every time someone uses a condom a mortal sin is committed. Also, there is the issue of practicality.

By: Idea Man Sat, 03 Apr 2010 19:22:38 +0000 @Hoya: I think NGM’s post above summed up most of what I was trying to get at. Am I advocating for a greater liberalization of an already liberal (by Catholic standards) university? Yes. The point that I was trying (and not really succeeding) to make was that we’re not crossing into uncharted territory here.

@Meghan: I don’t think I or NGM needs a lecture on Catholic ethics. The unitive and procreative aspects of sex are inseparable, I get it. You’ve failed to address the practical applications of this, though. As I said above, Georgetown will rent you a dorm room without placing restrictions on sex or having someone of the opposite sex over for the night. GU is not endorsing either of these activities, they are simply not actively prohibiting it. So why explicitly prohibit the Corp from selling condoms in its stores?

By: Steve Thompson Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:46:09 +0000 I’ve noticed I have an inability to use apostrophes properly in my post above. My bad

By: Steve Thompson Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:44:12 +0000 I believe, and I may be wrong, that the pill is prescribed for non-contraceptive reasons at SHC, which is how they get around the contraception issue. (See here for non-contraceptive reasons: Of course, it’s more than likely just a work-around that allows SHC to get away with it, when in reality it’s mostly used for contraception. To be fair, the Catholic church is famous (infamous) for getting around it’s own policies….the rich and powerful (read: Kennedy’s) have been getting annulments for years when, clearly, it’s a divorce. And, I’m pretty sure pedophilia is against church doctrine…’nuf said.

By: Meghan Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:38:30 +0000 @NotGregMonroe the “line” is all based around applied Catholic ethics, and its actually pretty straightforward. There is an entire field of Catholic social teaching and Catholic ethics, based on Aristotle, Thomas Aquinas, etc. that basically hashes out all the Church’s stances on various issues. None of it comes from the Bible, or from something the Pope just decides, or visions from God, etc.. it’s all based on traditional ethical reasoning. The Catholic Church has reasoned that birth control and contraceptives are unethical because they remove the procreative aspect of sexual intercourse, which they reason is a fundamental, intrinsic aspect of sex (again, that’s coming from Aristotle, not the Bible). Therefore they cannot condone the things Plan A is asking for, like funding and distributing condoms, in their institutions. Smoking is unhealthy but not unethical– that’s why Georgetown can sell them and still be Catholic.

By: Not Greg Monroe Sat, 03 Apr 2010 14:20:17 +0000 @Hoya

“We shouldn’t cross the line into being un-Catholic. We can push the line, we can go the teensiest bit farther that remains to the left of us as a Catholic institution. But there are lines that we cannot cross and remain Catholic — by any definition.”

Can you define the line or lines where Catholicism becomes un-Catholicism? (side note: that’s a bulky term, can we just call it Episcopal?) Is it at birth control? Nothing else really matters except that? You can sell cigarettes, have an alcohol policy that essentially licenses underage drinking, and not enforce the cohabitation policy at all, but if you sell condoms or insure birth control, now you’ve cross the line, you’re not a Catholica university anymore. If it’s a combination of all these things that would push us across the “line”, then fine let’s trade condoms for cigarettes- much healthier for everyone.

If it’s not a combination of all these lax slightly un-Catholic policies that, if we added to that the selling of condoms, would push us over the line, if the condoms issue actually is the be-all end-all of whether a university is Catholic or not, then the position of Georgetown being at the liberal end of the spectrum loses its effectiveness, because a university could be as conservative as CUA, allow condoms to be sold, and still not be considered a Catholic university. So which is it, the accumulation of evil liberal policies that make the University cross the line into being un-Catholic, or one issue that decides our relationship to this Holy Line.

And really, providing birth control through insurance for faculty is still a degree of being Catholic, but doing so for students, isn’t just another “difference in degree”?