Comments on: The Georgetown, Divest! forum on University investment in Palestine and Israel http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-palestine-and-israel/ Mon, 09 Nov 2015 02:04:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.10 By: The Georgetown, Divest! forum on University investment in Palestine and Israel | US Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-palestine-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-508538 Tue, 10 May 2011 07:00:54 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=16091#comment-508538 […] On Tuesday night, the new student group Georgetown, Divest! presented their case for University dive… […]

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By: Kifah http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-palestine-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-477907 Tue, 25 May 2010 18:08:48 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=16091#comment-477907 Advice to Georgetown. Don’t do this. We started a divestment bill at UC Berkeley- it damn near tore our school apart. An outrageous wave of anti-Semitism was unleashed- swastikas began appearing in the dorms and in bathrooms. Rocks were through through the windows of nearby Jewish businesses. And a palestinian student activist assaulted a Jewish girl- she ending up getting a restraining order against him. At UC san Diego, things were nearly as bad.
I can’t imagine a more divisive thing to do to a campus.
Georgetown- don’t do it.

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By: jon swanson http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-palestine-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-475194 Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:49:55 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=16091#comment-475194 That Israeli systematically discriminates by law and custom against its resident Palestinian population is well documented. The list of books include among others Ian Lustick’s, ” Arabs in a Jewish State” to Jonathon Cook’s, “Blood and Religion,” Uri Davis, “Apartheid Israel,” and Susan Nathan’s, “The Other Side of Israel.” There are also a host of articles and reports from the UN and human rights organization. In Israel a Palestinian can be barred from running for the Knesset if he or she advocates “one state for all its people” that is for a secular Israel. I doubt if Ms. Brown or her pro-Israeli friends would favor a sectarian “Christian” state in the US. To argue that Israel grants equal rights and equal access to its non-Jewish citizens is either naive or disingenuous.
Israel has been getting away with its great lie of progressive democracy for decades while demanding special treatment and collecting billions in US aid. It is high time that Israel’s human rights abuses were targeted and boycott and divestment are legitimate tools to use in this effort.

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By: Lorne Brown http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-palestine-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-475110 Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:34:55 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=16091#comment-475110 I think that it is disgraceful that you write “Every citizen of Israel has the legal nationality of Jewish or Arab”. First, it is not true. All Israeli citizens do have their religion listed (Jew, Muslim, Christian, etc.) “Arab” is never listed, as it isn’t a religion. All these people have an equal vote, and there are more than one Arab party (mainly representing Muslim and Christian Arabs) in the house of commons.

The Palestinian territories, and all other ~26 Arab states do not allow Jews to live there, and nobody, whether Muslim or otherwise has a vote, as these states are mostly dictatorial and oppress their people. These should be the true targets of this divestment.

The fact is, Israeli citizens of all religions are free – to vote, protest, demonstrate, worship. Did you know that to this day, the temple mount in Jerusalem, controlled by the Muslim wakf, can arrest any Jew that prays there, while any Israeli Muslim can pray freely anywhere in Israel?

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By: @RU Serious http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-palestine-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-475092 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:45:51 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=16091#comment-475092 @RU Serious:

I think the issue of what is a ‘human rights violation’. I think there’s a very healthy disagreement on that term when applied to the specific divestments this group is advocating.

For example, the group is against those companies financing the separation barrier between Israel and the West Bank. To call it a human rights violation is, at best, complicated. Suicide bombings have decreased to almost zero in the areas where the barrier has been completed. The Supreme Court of Israel has intervened twice in the barrier to reroute the construction to ensure it minimizes the impact on Palestinians.

So, to approach this barrier as an absolute, black and white issue is either disingenuous, facile or both. It’s a balancing of the Israeli people’s right to be secure from terrorist attacks vs. the inconveniences faced by Palestinians affected by the barrier. It has to be conceded that this a non-violent way to stop terrorism, compared to the other ways that Israel would be forced to tackle it in the absence of a wall.

As others have been saying, concentrating on Israel specifically without concern for their unique security situation — and marketing to the campus at large as neutral and non-partisan (See, for example, the group’s title, or the fact that their editorial in the Hoya barely mentions their main concerns except in a passing sentence) — and ignoring other, more starker companies with spotty human rights records.

The response that there are “a lot of problems in the world” but that they can only (or have chosen to only) concentrate on Israel is highly suspect. Like Matt said above, it’s like having an organization aimed to stop negative campaigning in politics, but then only concentrating on negative campaigning by Republicans. No one’s suggesting you have to tackle negative campaigning in every country in the world, but at least giving even-handed treatment to Democrats and Republicans would bolster your claim of non-partisanship.

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By: R U serious? http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-palestine-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-475087 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:10:51 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=16091#comment-475087 I am concerned at the negative reactions by people in this comment roll. I do not know much about the conflict, but I do know enough to understand that regardless of who is “right” or “wrong” that Americans should not support companies that benefit from human rights violations. I don’t look at it as a Palestine/Israel issue, this is an issue that individuals found and they decided to work on, if another group supports divestment of companies that benefit from violations in another part of the world then good for them too.

A friend of mine attended the meeting they had and they said it was extremely balanced, fair and non-inflammatory. Seeing as they are Jewish and have family in Israel I find it odd that they believe it is a well balanced organization and something worth supporting when they have a “vested” interest. I can’t quote UN findings, names, or any of that stuff but I know when something is right vs wrong, and divesting from human rights violations is the right thing to do.

Georgetown should divest of any socially irresponsible investments, I think its sad this is even a discussion.

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By: Coalition’s Argument for Divestment Presented to Georgetown University Community « U.S. Campaign for the Academic & Cultural Boycott of Israel http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-palestine-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-475043 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 07:30:55 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=16091#comment-475043 […] information about the event has been published on the blog of the Georgetown Voice, linked here: http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-p…. More information about the event and our argument can be found under the Argument link on the Home […]

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By: Coalition’s Argument Presented to Georgetown University Community « Georgetown, Divest! http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-palestine-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-475028 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 03:56:10 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=16091#comment-475028 […] information about the event has been published on the blog of the Georgetown Voice, linked here: http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-…. More information about the event and our argument can be found under the Argument link on the Home […]

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By: Alice Diane Kisch http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-palestine-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-475014 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:27:34 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=16091#comment-475014 I am a 1962 graduate of Georgetown’s Institute of Languages and Linguistics (renamed the Faculty of Languages and Linguistics), and I am Jewish. I am unable to adequately express how very proud I am of the courage and foresight of Georgetown, Divest! Divestment from companies that profit from human rights violations in Israel and Palestine is critical. But this divestment is not only about Israel and Palestine; the life of every human being on this planet will continue to be at risk until the atrocities that Israel is perpetrating on the Palestinian people have ended. Georgetown, Divest! — we are with you. Georgetown University, the world is watching and you will do well to remember Bishop Desmond Tutu’s wise admonition: “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.”

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By: Ek http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/04/14/the-georgetown-divest-forum-on-university-investment-in-palestine-and-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-474897 Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:39:20 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=16091#comment-474897 @Julie Thanks for the heads up. However, while we have sanctions in place against Burma, I intended to focus my comment on non-governmental divestment movements like Georgetown, Divest! As Georgetown, Divest! is targeting all companies, regardless of their nationality, and since US sanctions only apply to US companies and their American subsidiaries, such divestment campaigns could still have an impact.

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