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		<title>By: Vox Populi » Class of 2008 leads young alumni in University gifts</title>
		<link>http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2010/05/18/vox-op-ed-to-give-or-not-to-give/comment-page-1/#comment-479709</link>
		<dc:creator>Vox Populi » Class of 2008 leads young alumni in University gifts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 18:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: class of 2012</title>
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		<dc:creator>class of 2012</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bravo to this article, this is why i sometimes hate this schol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bravo to this article, this is why i sometimes hate this schol</p>
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		<title>By: Vox Populi » Comments of the Week: The time we didn&#8217;t donate to the University</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vox Populi » Comments of the Week: The time we didn&#8217;t donate to the University</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 15:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;You Should Have Gone to Community College&#8221; disagreed with former Voice staffer Sam Sweeney&#8217;s decision to not donate:  This article is a perfect example of melodramatic sensationalism combined with inexcusable ignorance. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;You Should Have Gone to Community College&#8221; disagreed with former Voice staffer Sam Sweeney&#8217;s decision to not donate:  This article is a perfect example of melodramatic sensationalism combined with inexcusable ignorance. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hoya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 00:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If Georgetown were paternalistic, suffocating, and unappreciative of its students, which you imply it is, why would Georgetown bother to host senior week at all?&quot;

To impress parents/relatives, and to leave you with a god taste in your mouth as you leave forever, so you hopefully donate in the future. The end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Georgetown were paternalistic, suffocating, and unappreciative of its students, which you imply it is, why would Georgetown bother to host senior week at all?&#8221;</p>
<p>To impress parents/relatives, and to leave you with a god taste in your mouth as you leave forever, so you hopefully donate in the future. The end.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 22:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree completely with Sam. I&#039;m glad that dumb pledge is still there, just to remind people that &quot;the man&quot; at Georgetown pretty much sucks on all counts. It&#039;s good to remind students that it&#039;s easier to get blood from a stone than fix a shower in Kennedy by making them feel like an idiot, reciting a pledge. 

The advancement office should take note, because a lot of people don&#039;t care enough to give money back to Georgetown when someone reminds of how poorly so many things are run. Fliers at senior week won&#039;t change that, hiring competent people will. 
And I&#039;m not a bitter young alum: I certainly appreciate my time at Georgetown and will happily send The Hoya a check every now and then, but it&#039;ll never go through the advancement office.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely with Sam. I&#8217;m glad that dumb pledge is still there, just to remind people that &#8220;the man&#8221; at Georgetown pretty much sucks on all counts. It&#8217;s good to remind students that it&#8217;s easier to get blood from a stone than fix a shower in Kennedy by making them feel like an idiot, reciting a pledge. </p>
<p>The advancement office should take note, because a lot of people don&#8217;t care enough to give money back to Georgetown when someone reminds of how poorly so many things are run. Fliers at senior week won&#8217;t change that, hiring competent people will.<br />
And I&#8217;m not a bitter young alum: I certainly appreciate my time at Georgetown and will happily send The Hoya a check every now and then, but it&#8217;ll never go through the advancement office.</p>
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		<title>By: Yawn.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yawn.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 16:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wine* 

Must have been a Freudian slip on account of all of Sam&#039;s complaining.]]></description>
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<p>Must have been a Freudian slip on account of all of Sam&#8217;s complaining.</p>
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		<title>By: Yawn.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yawn.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 16:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam, Senior Week is week of fantastic events of trips, parties, and picnics. At most of which, the beer and whine is flowing copiously. And all of this is made available for FREE to YOU. If Georgetown were paternalistic, suffocating, and unappreciative of its students, which you imply it is, why would Georgetown bother to host senior week at all? 

As far as the giving aspect is concerned: That&#039;s fine, don&#039;t give your gift to the Center for Student Programs, or to any other office you find to be a hassle. What&#039;s great about giving back is that you can specifically designate the beneficiary of your gift. How about  supporting some of the fantastic student publications that are able to be funded thanks to the university? The Voice, perhaps?

If you can&#039;t be appreciative of all that Georgetown does for its students because you found a few seconds of bureaucratic  red tape to be annoying, that truly is unfortunate for you. You will have to carry your negative and contemptuous attitude with you for the rest of your life, because red tape is unfortunately just about everywhere.  I would advise you to just step back and enjoy the parties, celebrations, and joy these last couple of days at Georgetown. This place really has been kind to us these past four years, so now let&#039;s be kind to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, Senior Week is week of fantastic events of trips, parties, and picnics. At most of which, the beer and whine is flowing copiously. And all of this is made available for FREE to YOU. If Georgetown were paternalistic, suffocating, and unappreciative of its students, which you imply it is, why would Georgetown bother to host senior week at all? </p>
<p>As far as the giving aspect is concerned: That&#8217;s fine, don&#8217;t give your gift to the Center for Student Programs, or to any other office you find to be a hassle. What&#8217;s great about giving back is that you can specifically designate the beneficiary of your gift. How about  supporting some of the fantastic student publications that are able to be funded thanks to the university? The Voice, perhaps?</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t be appreciative of all that Georgetown does for its students because you found a few seconds of bureaucratic  red tape to be annoying, that truly is unfortunate for you. You will have to carry your negative and contemptuous attitude with you for the rest of your life, because red tape is unfortunately just about everywhere.  I would advise you to just step back and enjoy the parties, celebrations, and joy these last couple of days at Georgetown. This place really has been kind to us these past four years, so now let&#8217;s be kind to it.</p>
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		<title>By: meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 01:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You attended a Catholic University. OF COURSE there will be a paternalistic attitude here...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You attended a Catholic University. OF COURSE there will be a paternalistic attitude here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: I won't give either</title>
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		<dc:creator>I won't give either</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 00:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not about reading the form, stupid.  My favorite experience was when I lived in Copley.  It was raining hard, and as we all know, Copley leaks.  It was the first big rainstorm of the year and our RA made sure that everyone knew the number to call if your roof leaked so that facilities would actually come and have a look.  Our roof started to leak, so we put a bucket under it and called facilities.  Half an hour later, they showed up to have a look at the leak (two of them).  The one looked up at the ceiling &quot;It&#039;s leaking,&quot; he said.  &quot;Yep,&quot; said the other &quot;it&#039;s leaking&quot;.  My roommate responded &quot;Yes, so can you help us?&quot;.  &quot;Well,&quot; said the facilities guy, &quot;it looks like you already got a bucket.&quot;  Then they left.

The point isn&#039;t any single one of these little incidents, it&#039;s the pattern of contempt for or at least disinterest in the students.  Having experience much the same treatment in high school, I wrote it off as &quot;just the ways things go&quot; until junior year when I studied abroad at Oxford.  My college at Oxford had its problems, to be sure, but there was something you could do about them, and you felt like people actually cared about your concerns.  The principal (president) had open office hours every week when anyone who wanted could come to see him and talk about their concerns of whatever nature.  He had a montly townhall meeting where he would present to the students and then take questions.  Some of those meetings got really, really ugly (think the tea party crowd at the health care townhalls).  Students would heckle him.  They would ask questions intended to trip him up, then seize joyfully on incorrect answers. At one meeting, a student called him &quot;a filthy coward&quot; and threw something (the issue at hand was bizarrely trivial and involved library fines).  The principal, however, handled all of this with incredible grace.  He listened.  He responded rationally and calmly, and sometimes he made changes on the basis of what people said, but the most important thing is that he was available at least every month for that town hall and you could say whatever you wanted.

At Oxford, they were also honest with us.  The college disclosed to the students a detailed budget so that we could see exactly where all the money went.  Good luck getting that information out of Georgetown.  That let us become informed, and ask questions.  It let students become an active part of the decision process, too, because we could look at expenses and say, this isn&#039;t right.  As a result, while I was there, the students pushed through a move to reduce spending on computer labs that no one used anymore and shift the money to reducing the cost of the meal plan.  At Georgetown, that wouldn&#039;t even be possible because the university outsources dining to Aramark, who have even less interest in student&#039;s well-being than the administration.  In short, at Oxford I saw another model.  A model where the students had power, and a voice.  I will be giving to my college at Oxford.

If Georgetown wants to improve, the first step is to listen.  DeGioia, O&#039;Donnell, Olson, and Spiros Dimolitsas (the most important person at Georgetown you&#039;ve never heard of) should have town hall meetings for the students at a minimum of once a semester for whatever concerns students have, not just in response to &quot;diversity incidents&quot;.  It would take just a couple hours from them, but have great benefits for everyone.  The university should also be more transparent with students, and it should take more time to listen to their concerns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about reading the form, stupid.  My favorite experience was when I lived in Copley.  It was raining hard, and as we all know, Copley leaks.  It was the first big rainstorm of the year and our RA made sure that everyone knew the number to call if your roof leaked so that facilities would actually come and have a look.  Our roof started to leak, so we put a bucket under it and called facilities.  Half an hour later, they showed up to have a look at the leak (two of them).  The one looked up at the ceiling &#8220;It&#8217;s leaking,&#8221; he said.  &#8220;Yep,&#8221; said the other &#8220;it&#8217;s leaking&#8221;.  My roommate responded &#8220;Yes, so can you help us?&#8221;.  &#8220;Well,&#8221; said the facilities guy, &#8220;it looks like you already got a bucket.&#8221;  Then they left.</p>
<p>The point isn&#8217;t any single one of these little incidents, it&#8217;s the pattern of contempt for or at least disinterest in the students.  Having experience much the same treatment in high school, I wrote it off as &#8220;just the ways things go&#8221; until junior year when I studied abroad at Oxford.  My college at Oxford had its problems, to be sure, but there was something you could do about them, and you felt like people actually cared about your concerns.  The principal (president) had open office hours every week when anyone who wanted could come to see him and talk about their concerns of whatever nature.  He had a montly townhall meeting where he would present to the students and then take questions.  Some of those meetings got really, really ugly (think the tea party crowd at the health care townhalls).  Students would heckle him.  They would ask questions intended to trip him up, then seize joyfully on incorrect answers. At one meeting, a student called him &#8220;a filthy coward&#8221; and threw something (the issue at hand was bizarrely trivial and involved library fines).  The principal, however, handled all of this with incredible grace.  He listened.  He responded rationally and calmly, and sometimes he made changes on the basis of what people said, but the most important thing is that he was available at least every month for that town hall and you could say whatever you wanted.</p>
<p>At Oxford, they were also honest with us.  The college disclosed to the students a detailed budget so that we could see exactly where all the money went.  Good luck getting that information out of Georgetown.  That let us become informed, and ask questions.  It let students become an active part of the decision process, too, because we could look at expenses and say, this isn&#8217;t right.  As a result, while I was there, the students pushed through a move to reduce spending on computer labs that no one used anymore and shift the money to reducing the cost of the meal plan.  At Georgetown, that wouldn&#8217;t even be possible because the university outsources dining to Aramark, who have even less interest in student&#8217;s well-being than the administration.  In short, at Oxford I saw another model.  A model where the students had power, and a voice.  I will be giving to my college at Oxford.</p>
<p>If Georgetown wants to improve, the first step is to listen.  DeGioia, O&#8217;Donnell, Olson, and Spiros Dimolitsas (the most important person at Georgetown you&#8217;ve never heard of) should have town hall meetings for the students at a minimum of once a semester for whatever concerns students have, not just in response to &#8220;diversity incidents&#8221;.  It would take just a couple hours from them, but have great benefits for everyone.  The university should also be more transparent with students, and it should take more time to listen to their concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: Rising Senior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rising Senior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 00:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think&quot; makes the most sound point I&#039;ve read in all of these comments. At $50k a year our Georgetown experience should be &quot;value-added&quot;. I spent a year at a public college before transferring to GTown. Naturally I had to bite the bullet on a lot of things such as the less-than-stellar facilities and the glacial bureaucracy of the administration. But for the price I was paying those inconveniences made sense.

At Georgetown I think it&#039;s reasonable to expect a more personalized experience. I&#039;m not implying the University should cater to our every need, maybe just a smile rather than a grimace or some small sign of genuine care. 

Like most posters, I will eventually donate to Georgetown because of the fantastic friendships and experiences I have nurtured during my time here. I&#039;ll probably donate to a scholarship fund so that some deserving kid doesn&#039;t have to pay exorbitantly to go to a great college.

Final point: Georgetown&#039;s endowment is a major hindrance on its ability to climb the rankings. Right now Georgetown is in an extremely enviable position. Just think about everything it has going for it: Location, academic programs that are either already highly respected (SFS, College) or quickly improving with new facilities (MSB, sciences), even a high-profile Basketball team (this is more important than you&#039;d think). Other schools can&#039;t touch Georgetown on most of these strengths. So why are we ranked so low?

For U.S. News and World Report, at least, &quot;Alumni giving&quot; is a key criteria used to asses, of all things, academic quality. They figure that if you were satisfied, on the whole, with your academic experience you will donate back to your alma mater. So if Georgetown is the strong academic institution we all know it to be, the endowment should be higher. Sam and some other posters gave a few examples of why they won&#039;t donate. Agree or disagree, the University should be paying attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think&#8221; makes the most sound point I&#8217;ve read in all of these comments. At $50k a year our Georgetown experience should be &#8220;value-added&#8221;. I spent a year at a public college before transferring to GTown. Naturally I had to bite the bullet on a lot of things such as the less-than-stellar facilities and the glacial bureaucracy of the administration. But for the price I was paying those inconveniences made sense.</p>
<p>At Georgetown I think it&#8217;s reasonable to expect a more personalized experience. I&#8217;m not implying the University should cater to our every need, maybe just a smile rather than a grimace or some small sign of genuine care. </p>
<p>Like most posters, I will eventually donate to Georgetown because of the fantastic friendships and experiences I have nurtured during my time here. I&#8217;ll probably donate to a scholarship fund so that some deserving kid doesn&#8217;t have to pay exorbitantly to go to a great college.</p>
<p>Final point: Georgetown&#8217;s endowment is a major hindrance on its ability to climb the rankings. Right now Georgetown is in an extremely enviable position. Just think about everything it has going for it: Location, academic programs that are either already highly respected (SFS, College) or quickly improving with new facilities (MSB, sciences), even a high-profile Basketball team (this is more important than you&#8217;d think). Other schools can&#8217;t touch Georgetown on most of these strengths. So why are we ranked so low?</p>
<p>For U.S. News and World Report, at least, &#8220;Alumni giving&#8221; is a key criteria used to asses, of all things, academic quality. They figure that if you were satisfied, on the whole, with your academic experience you will donate back to your alma mater. So if Georgetown is the strong academic institution we all know it to be, the endowment should be higher. Sam and some other posters gave a few examples of why they won&#8217;t donate. Agree or disagree, the University should be paying attention.</p>
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