Comments of the Week: The time we didn’t donate to the University

“Chad Kroeger” criticized an omitted Missed Connection:

I was really hoping there would be a missed connection from last month’s Nickelback concert that went something like this: Bleach blond frontman of waiting room-appropriate rock band-w4m (DC)
Hey, I saw you rocking out at the Nickelback concert. I got really excited when you took off your shirt, but you probably didn’t notice me over the roar of thousands of adoring fans. I was the girl who completely understood and would complete you and would prevent you from ever spending another Saturday night waiting by the phone for Todd Olson to call. I doubt you check missed connections since you could probably have any girl in the world, but I thought I would give it a try. Respond back with the lyrics to Photograph and we’ll go have pancakes with real Canadian maple syrup.

What do you think Vox? Will it happen or should I move on to the Calgary craigslist?


“You Should Have Gone to Community College” disagreed with former Voice staffer Sam Sweeney’s decision to not donate:

This article is a perfect example of melodramatic sensationalism combined with inexcusable ignorance.

Reading statements aloud is quite comment, as it ensures the person actually reads the policy/code/etc. I had to read the three line drug policy of my employer aloud before signing, as well as a statement about the ramifications of identity fraud after losing my passport. Luckily I did not have the same sense of righteous outrage as the author or I would be unemployed and passport-less.

If you want to stop being treated like a baby, stop acting like one. Perhaps you should read that aloud before trying to write an op-ed in the future.

“J. Stuef” jumped to Sam’s defense:

I agree with Sam whole-heartedly and am not donating for pretty much the same reason. I railed against the administration for years, and in my final days at Georgetown, breathtakingly saw them act in exactly the most absurd ways I had ever portrayed them. In contrast, my interaction with professors and other students was probably the most rewarding experience of my life thus far and never had a whiff of the incompetence and paternalism of the administration. I, unlike Class of 2010, cannot say I ever saw the administration “show care and concern for my growth as a human,” unless you count Jesuits. It was quite the opposite. I was torn on donating, though, but when I thought about it, the administration talks about the giving rate like it’s an indication of the senior class’s love for Georgetown and appreciation for their wonderful experience there, a final act of good girls and boys doing what they’re supposed to do, and I can’t be part of that statistic. I may donate in the future to one of the departments and to the basketball team, which would probably still help prop up a regime that gets power from its ability to feed the endowment, but I’m not going to be part of that statistic now.

And for good measure, “Fiore” voiced his support too:

I agree completely with Sam. I’m glad that dumb pledge is still there, just to remind people that “the man” at Georgetown pretty much sucks on all counts. It’s good to remind students that it’s easier to get blood from a stone than fix a shower in Kennedy by making them feel like an idiot, reciting a pledge.

And I’m not a bitter young alum: I certainly appreciate my time at Georgetown and will happily send The Hoya a check every now and then, but it’ll never go through the advancement office.

The advancement office should take note, because a lot of people don’t care enough to give money back to Georgetown when someone reminds of how poorly so many things are run. Fliers at senior week won’t change that, hiring competent people will.

“Nick” asked students to consider the ramifications of not donating:

I think this post misses a few important points.

First, whatever one’s opinion about Georgetown student services, they are hardly close to the sum-total of the University or the value of the University to students. A recent grad, I look back at my Georgetown experience fondly despite various headaches with the usual suspects, because on the whole I think it’s a tremendous place that gave me the resources and support to excel. The professors, the classes, some of my deans, the student organizations, offices like CSJ, athletics, etc. are all really great things I felt like have been invaluable to my development.

When I decide to give I obviously have to weigh whether I think my gift is going to be used well or not, but I think its important to be realistic and balanced about the University’s strengths and weaknesses.

Most importantly, Georgetown makes it really easy to pick what you want to support. You can direct your gift to very specific offices and programs. So if you dislike CSP or housing or whatnot, that’s fine. Don’t give to the University in general. Pick the ASK program or the theater department or your favorite sports team. A lot of student orgs even have gift accounts so you can send it right back to your friends.

Obviously you may have other reasons you can’t or don’t want to donate, but it seems silly to harm the rest of the valuable programs and people you may like and appreciate b/c you’re mad at a couple people in another department.

“Ben Sinister” took aim at the University’s administration for poor donation rates:

All you have to do to see what Georgetown thinks of its students is to take a tour of the fifth floor of Leavey, then repeat that tour on the fourth floor.

Or how about the stairs to ICC basement? Enjoy shoulder-to-shoulder traffic under stalactites of dirt and foam on your way to the windowless warrens where One-Eyed Willy hides his treasure.

I remember well as an undergraduate having to dance the room-reservation shuffle, having to hold my hand out to the house slaves of SAC for an extra dollar, having to ask the Dean, the Assistant Dean, the assistant to the Assistant Dean, for a signature, a sign-off, for permission to be.

I remember it well, and I see those same administrators a decade later still working on campus, still pulling six figure salaries, still employing full time assistants, being paid salaries that are greater than the budgets of the student groups they are supposed to oversee and aid. They did a good job making me a non-donor for life; it looks like their labors continue to bear dead fruit.

“Hire Esherick” became a voice of reason within the donation debate:

Who cares. I hope no one chose to attend Georgetown because of its administration. You went or currently go because of its basketball team, obviously.

“Julie” has some thoughts about Adam Wheeler, the guy who lied his way into Harvard:

The kid looks like a pedafile/criminal

And “@Julie” reminded us why we love Vox commenters:

i totalee agri wiht u joolie. This guy is clearly not Georgetown quality.

2 Comments on “Comments of the Week: The time we didn’t donate to the University

  1. if i’m not mistaken, you can’t donate money straight to sac groups. i believe all donations have to go through sac and then sac gets to decide if you can spend your own money

    clarification or fact-checking on this? anyone?

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