Comments on: President DeGioia (and Todd Olson) discuss China, campus plan, Healy Pub, and more http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2011/09/01/president-degioia-and-todd-olson-discuss-china-campus-plan-healy-pub-and-more/ Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:07:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Vox Populi » GUSA Roundup: Money, money, money http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2011/09/01/president-degioia-and-todd-olson-discuss-china-campus-plan-healy-pub-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-517748 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 00:34:22 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=31169#comment-517748 [...] by Georgetown Energy, is ready for a referendum, while the Healy Pub proposal has encountered strong resistance from University administrators. As the prospect of reaching a consensus on Healy Pub is highly unlikely, the committee is moving [...]

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By: Vox Populi » FinApp discusses updates on solar panels, SIPS fund http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2011/09/01/president-degioia-and-todd-olson-discuss-china-campus-plan-healy-pub-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-512780 Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:01:29 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=31169#comment-512780 [...] about Healy Pub, and the nails that Jack DeGioia and Todd Olsen banged into its coffin in their meeting with student media earlier this month. Although GUSA had initially backed the Healy Pub idea, voting to allocate most [...]

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By: Lynn Blackwell http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2011/09/01/president-degioia-and-todd-olson-discuss-china-campus-plan-healy-pub-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-512361 Tue, 06 Sep 2011 13:37:10 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=31169#comment-512361 I can’t begin to express my outrage at President’s DeGioia’s comments regarding the Patriot League. In just about all other areas of the Division I athletics played at Georgetown, scholarships are awarded. It is understood, that the time and commitment required by athletes, exceeds those required by “regular” students, particularly at Division I level. It is with this understanding that schools provide scholarships as incentives and recognition of these students abilities and their commitment to continue provide their services. Georgetown is fine with rewarding students with scholarships in other areas, basketball, lacrosse, tennis, ect. However, football is supposed to be different? I totally disagree. As long as the academic standards are high, providing scholarships to football students will not lower the type of players that Georgetown attracts. How is it a school with such prestigous alumnus and such a high tuition, cannot cover the costs associated with football? I suspect, that if Georgetown invested in football a 4th of what is invested in basketball, they would have an exceptional football program. I think President DeGioia’s response regarding Georgetown’s participation in the Patriot League is a cop-out and it does a disservice to the student athlete’s that participate on the football program and to the coaches who have to recruit each year. There is a large pool of qualified candidates that will not attend Georgetown, because their families make just enough money that will disqualify them from financial aid needed to cover the cost of attendance. If these athletes have worked hard on and off of the field and they qualify academically, Georgetown should be willing to step up and do its part.

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By: Box http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2011/09/01/president-degioia-and-todd-olson-discuss-china-campus-plan-healy-pub-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-512326 Tue, 06 Sep 2011 02:40:56 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=31169#comment-512326 Following on Dizzy’s point, if Gisele Bundschen enrolled in grad school at Georgetown, would she be a Latina?

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By: typical http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2011/09/01/president-degioia-and-todd-olson-discuss-china-campus-plan-healy-pub-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-512288 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:05:24 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=31169#comment-512288 I wish DeGioia would address student affairs issues himself. It’s disheartening that he has to defer to Olson on those issues, especially since he used to be the Dean of Students. You don’t see him deferring to Lee Reed on Athletics questions, Rocky on safety questions, or Karen Frank on facilities.

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By: Dizzy http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2011/09/01/president-degioia-and-todd-olson-discuss-china-campus-plan-healy-pub-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-512166 Sun, 04 Sep 2011 12:57:10 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=31169#comment-512166 Er, Michaelangelo, I have no idea where most of what you said is coming from (please note, I am not “seriously antony”). I don’t disagree with any of what you say about: college being “a time to self-evaluate ourselves and determine which direction we want to go, not only career wise but personally” or about the disadvantages that minorities face or anything like that. Nowhere did I say that I “believe that college only involves academic pursuit,” as you falsely attribute to me; nor do I claim that “academic knowledge alone will… suffice to survive in the real world.” You’re arguing against a strawman.

Then, you go on to say: “you’re the person who mistakes Spaniards for Latinos. Please, you are ignorant.”

For instance, the U.S. Government definition, as given by the OMB (source: http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-1.pdf), is: “a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race.” That’s right, other Spanish culture, including from Spain (“Spaniard, Spanish, Spanish American” is counted by the Census Bureau as one of the 28 Hispanic or Latino groups, the two being used interchangeably). Before calling someone ignorant, I would be sure I had my facts straight. Actually, I would lay off the ad hominem entirely, since you nothing about me.

In any case, I asked Antony to clarify his definition for the very reason that there is a great deal of debate about such definitions, which will inevitably be somewhat arbitrary. Would an indigenous member of the Mixe people who has no Spanish ancestry and doesn’t even speak Spanish be considered Latino? What about an Spanish-speaking Argentinian of purely German descent? If a child is born to parents from Spain, would it be Latino if born in Mexico or Cuba but not Latino if born in Miami or New York? What about the Panama Canal Zone, pre-handover? Etc. etc.

What this whole thing started with was Antony V. López making a claim – there are only two Latino professors at Georgetown, only one of whom has tenure – that was demonstrably incorrect. Antony basically admits this, as he both tries to discount language professors – why? – and gives a definition that includes several attributes that have nothing to do with being Latino, specifically “someone who can relate more to many of the first generation college students” and “who are descendants from Latin-American countries, but grown up here.” Obviously, someone can be a Latino without growing up in the USA. But I am thankful that he clarified what he meant and described his perspective as being role-model based, under which a professor has to have a similar enough backstory to first-generation college-attending US-born Latino students in order to be a viable role model.

Those of us who do believe that diversity among the faculty is an issue that needs addressing – and I count myself among them – are not well-served by starting off making unsupportable statements. Hence, my pushback.

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By: Mike http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2011/09/01/president-degioia-and-todd-olson-discuss-china-campus-plan-healy-pub-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-512030 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 06:16:36 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=31169#comment-512030 New South student center will never happen – it was promised in the last ten year plan, believe it or not. GU is failing to support its students both extracurricularly and off campus, and this interview is proof of how disconnected the administration is from the student body. The ridiculous SAC bureaucracy, lack of a student center (Leavey is merely a hotel), and the mere existence of the office of Off Campus Student Life with all of its inappropriate policies are just a few examples. Unfortunately, it will only be after alumni donations drop precipitously before the university realizes its mistake. There are things I love about Georgetown, but if the administration continues to throw its students under the bus, they’ll never see a penny from me.

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By: @ Dizzy from Michaelangelo http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2011/09/01/president-degioia-and-todd-olson-discuss-china-campus-plan-healy-pub-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-512028 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 04:58:09 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=31169#comment-512028 With all due respect, you are ignorant. I am confident enough, after reading the above, that you are in no way informed of the struggles of the minority community. College is not only a time to gain academic knowledge, but a time to self-evaluate ourselves and determine which direction we want to go, not only career wise but personally. Automatically, minorities are at a disadvantage because everyone around us including professors are mostly white. It is your type of mentality that makes it hard for minorities and first generation college students to have the complete college experience, because you falsely believe that college only involves academic pursuit…..its not…you fail to recognize that academic knowledge alone will not suffice to survive in the real world. College must prepare us for the real world and give us the proper tools to survive, and the only one above knowledge is self-confidence. Do you really believe first generation students and minorities have it as much as their white counterparts when my professor is more than likely white, along with the rest of the class? Then again, you’re the person who mistakes Spaniards for Latinos. Please, you are ignorant. Let me enlighten you a bit, listen to rap music and hip pop…and tell me if you do not hear any mention of injustice or having to work harder and in tougher circumstances to reach success…if not let me know and I’ll do it personally.

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By: Antony V. López http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2011/09/01/president-degioia-and-todd-olson-discuss-china-campus-plan-healy-pub-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-512026 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 04:54:18 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=31169#comment-512026 … well maybe there is no supply of Latinos (no apostrophe) because Georgetown does not make a “conscious effort” to help produce such high caliber graduates who feel welcomed on the hilltop.

“We?” I wonder what position you have.

The university prides itself in its diversity. Honestly I don’t see enough of it besides the students themselves. Latinos are quickly rising as the biggest slice of the U.S. population, and already are in places.

I never asked for a ““center for first generation college student latino issues,’” idk where you get that. CMEA and other diversity groups do a great job of not only helping latinos — but all students, from all backgrounds, not just based on color. YET even they lament the low number of latino professors. WHY? because the rest of the student population misses out on experiencing what the United States and everything south of the boarder is–Latino.

I only ask for more recognition and effort on Georgetowns’ part, because I only expect the best from this University. I don’t want to see it fall behind the “rankings” because it isn’t looking ahead at the future.

-avl

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By: seriously antony http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2011/09/01/president-degioia-and-todd-olson-discuss-china-campus-plan-healy-pub-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-512011 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:40:33 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=31169#comment-512011 please. Do you think there is a huge supply of Latino’s (as you define it) who are near the top of their academic field? We look for things like where a candidate has published their work, where they got their phd etc. . Now if you want to argue that we need different criteria for selecting professors, then argue it.

I think that If you want help with being a first generation college student, talk to the academic resource center, a friend, or CAPS. But I don’t think there is a good argument for hiring professors on the basis that they can relate to a small group of students. I would feel cheated, if anything other than higher the professors who they think will best 1) represent the university academically 2) teach students academic stuff.

In case you don’t think im awful enough already, I would not support a “center for first generation college student latino issues” either. None of us are all that special. And for certain, we ought to at least be equally un-special. Have a nice day. Im glad you take such interest in your community. (seriously, you seem to care, which means something)

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