Comments on: U.S. Census Bureau director Robert Groves to be next Provost http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2012/04/10/u-s-census-bureau-director-robert-groves-to-be-next-provost/ Mon, 09 Nov 2015 02:04:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.9 By: Dave http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2012/04/10/u-s-census-bureau-director-robert-groves-to-be-next-provost/comment-page-1/#comment-548746 Fri, 13 Jul 2012 03:30:59 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=36832#comment-548746 Thank God, JOD is finally getting the boot! The end of a nightmare. That guy cause so much damage to Georgetown’s reputation it will take years to recover from. But at least the process has begun. Welcome, to Dr. Groves!

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By: @Dizzy http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2012/04/10/u-s-census-bureau-director-robert-groves-to-be-next-provost/comment-page-1/#comment-538688 Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:04:34 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=36832#comment-538688 I don’t know that my post implies that it is okay to re-allocate alumni gifts away from specific projects. In fact, I believe I made the problem of alumni gift allocation clear when I said: “and perhaps [Groves can] even convince alumni to donate more toward the sciences and social sciences”.

During my time at Georgetown, alumni and other funds produced: a statue of St. Ignatius in-front-of the admissions office; posters declaring abstract Jesuit values that were hung all over campus; a religious retreat center (which it is, regardless of who else can use it) far from campus. At the same time, the school built a theater that can hold only a small fraction of the student body, and announced construction of an under-funded science center. Look only down the street at GW’s new facility, which will cost over twice as much as Georgetown’s, to see why it is underwhelming (http://www.gwu.edu/give/givingopportunities/scienceengineeringhall).

Remember, half of Georgetown is not Catholic. And among the half that is (myself included), many chose the university not for its explicit embrace of token Catholic symbols (statues, signs, retreat centers), but for its academic excellence and the priorities instilled by Georgetown’s Jesuit identity. These include actionable knowledge, intellectual openness, a dedication to social justice, and personal development. To be sure, many would have chosen CUA or Notre Dame if we wanted more than that.

I fully agree that a school need not choose between its religious and academic responsibilities. However, a school with a small endowment and limited resources must carefully prioritization its investments. My position is that Georgetown has done an excellent job funding religious programs (both academic and spiritual), but a terrible job funding the sciences. Some may argue that, if one has a problem with Georgetown’s religious priorities, they should have gone elsewhere. I hold that Georgetown has achieved excellence because it has used its Jesuit identity to support its academic mission, rather than the other way around.

-@KR

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By: Joe http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2012/04/10/u-s-census-bureau-director-robert-groves-to-be-next-provost/comment-page-1/#comment-538653 Thu, 12 Apr 2012 02:03:57 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=36832#comment-538653 straw man:

You misunderstood me if you somehow took my comment to oppose investment in the sciences. On the contrary, I strongly agree with you that Georgetown “can maintain its Jesuit heritage while adequately investing in the sciences.”

The real ‘straw man’ here is the establishment of a false dichotomy between faith and academic excellence: anyone who thinks that a robust religious identity is incompatible with commitment to well-funded research in the sciences is quite mistaken. Indeed, in BC and ND you offered two fine examples of Catholic universities that do a fine job of combining a strong religious commitment with academic excellence.

Georgetown needs leaders who are strongly committed both to the Jesuit identity and mission of the University as well as to providing more resources for faculty research and academic programs. I hope that Dr. Groves will prove to be that kind of leader.

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By: Dizzy http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2012/04/10/u-s-census-bureau-director-robert-groves-to-be-next-provost/comment-page-1/#comment-538637 Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:02:50 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=36832#comment-538637 @K. R.

It surprises me that Georgetown can afford constantly to endow new programs and professorships in religious studies, as well as build a new religious retreat center, but can only build an underwhelming new science center.

The key word there is “endow” – if the donors want their money to go to religious studies or a retreat center (which will not be used only for religious retreats, btw), then it’s not like that money can be re-purposed for something else. You’ll note, though, that the biggest gift thus far was specified for use on science and technology as well as religious/philosophical inquiry: http://explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=38485&PageTemplateID=288

I’m curious, though – why are you underwhelmed by the science center?

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By: straw man http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2012/04/10/u-s-census-bureau-director-robert-groves-to-be-next-provost/comment-page-1/#comment-538634 Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:18:01 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=36832#comment-538634 Me thinks Joe is setting up a bit of a straw man with his Harvard reference. A school can maintain its Jesuit heritage while adequately investing in the sciences. A lay Georgetown may not be another Harvard, but an over-religious Georgetown that under-invests in core research and education certainly will be another second-rate Catholic university (which, with the exception of BC and ND, they all seem to be).

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By: Joe http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2012/04/10/u-s-census-bureau-director-robert-groves-to-be-next-provost/comment-page-1/#comment-538628 Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:15:35 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=36832#comment-538628 @K. R.:

I am also an alumnus (C’ 01) and I am interested in what Dr. Groves has to say about Georgetown’s Jesuit identity. Particularly given the diminution in the number of Jesuits in positions of authority at the University – and on campus in general – I think it’s important that Georgetown seek lay administrators who understand and appreciate the heritage and mission of the University. I would also submit that the Jesuit ‘brand’ is a large part of what makes Georgetown distinctive as a university. Downplaying Georgetown’s religious identity in an attempt to be more like our perceived peer institutions is a losing proposition; dropping the Catholic piece won’t make Georgetown into another Harvard – at best, doing so would simply turn Georgetown into a generic research university without anything truly distinctive to motivate benefactors and draw prospective students in a competitive environment.

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By: @K. R. http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2012/04/10/u-s-census-bureau-director-robert-groves-to-be-next-provost/comment-page-1/#comment-538606 Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:06:13 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=36832#comment-538606 I’m not sure why we should care at all about his religious background. If anything, Georgetown needs to focus less on religious initiatives and more on hard research and the sciences. It surprises me that Georgetown can afford constantly to endow new programs and professorships in religious studies, as well as build a new religious retreat center, but can only build an underwhelming new science center. Hopefully Mr. Groves will have more rational priorities, and perhaps even convince alumni to donate more toward the sciences and social sciences. -Alumn

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By: Doug http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2012/04/10/u-s-census-bureau-director-robert-groves-to-be-next-provost/comment-page-1/#comment-538595 Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:28:36 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=36832#comment-538595 Cool. Exciting to have someone with a survey research background, hopefully it pays off in a more data-driven culture. Especially with Georgetown looking to expand its reach into the sciences, he might be able to speak the same language as a fellow quantitative guy. The background in government work also makes him a good bridge between the more quantitative disciplines, and some of the softer sciences. I’m happy.

Hopefully the emails will be less…poetic…as well.

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By: K. R. http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2012/04/10/u-s-census-bureau-director-robert-groves-to-be-next-provost/comment-page-1/#comment-538590 Wed, 11 Apr 2012 03:34:21 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=36832#comment-538590 Sorry, I forgot to include the link – here it is:

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/census_director_promises_accur.html

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By: K. R. http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2012/04/10/u-s-census-bureau-director-robert-groves-to-be-next-provost/comment-page-1/#comment-538588 Wed, 11 Apr 2012 03:33:23 +0000 http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/?p=36832#comment-538588 At the time of publication, Groves’ religious affiliation was not immediately known.

The article linked below says that Groves went to New Orleans’ De La Salle High School, a Catholic school run by the Christian Brothers, graduating in 1966; his wife graduated from another Catholic high school in the city, Mount Carmel Academy. Nothing is said about the religion affiliation of either, but Catholic education can be reflective of a Catholic upbringing.

If the Voice gets a chance to interview Groves, perhaps he can be asked to say something about his religious background. It would also be interesting to hear his thoughts about Georgetown’s identity as a Jesuit university, given that he seems not to have previously attended or worked at any Jesuit institution.

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